Interaction Flops – Part 2

Yesterday’s post was getting a bit long, so I’ve spilled over to today.  Thinking about participative preaching, or interaction between pulpit and pew, that doesn’t really work.  We thought about the cultural differences issue yesterday.  Here are a few more warning flags:

Patronising the listeners – It is easy to cross a line from helpful invitation to participate vocally, to patronising listeners.  It’s hard to get this right because assuming knowledge can be unhelpful:“We all know that Malachi is the last book in the Old Testament” . . . maybe, at a pastors conference, but in a normal church setting, what about the new young believer or visitor who doesn’t know that?  Now they feel uniquely uninformed.  But it can go the other way in participative preaching moments: “You finish the sentence if you can, ‘Jesus’ mother was called…?”  As people mumble the name, Mary, chances are that they might be feeling like six year olds.  Some preachers need to learn that getting people in a congregation to say something out loud is no great achievement, and it is no guarantee of attention or interest either.  Sometimes it is just plain patronising.

Unnecessary invitations – You have to be sensitive to the congregation.  Somehow you need to sense when asking for them to answer a question, or say something, or vocally agree, or whatever is simply unnecessary.  I’ve sat in congregations where the preacher wasn’t really patronising, but perhaps just nervous.  Everyone was with them, following, enjoying, appreciating, and suddenly the preacher seems to lose their nerve and start looking for vocal affirmation, or an answer to a question to “keep us engaged” when actually we were engaged, but now are getting a bit annoyed by the slowing of the pace and the loss of momentum.  Tricky one to judge, but just don’t fall into the trap of thinking vocal response from the congregation is somehow always engaging or helpful.

Narrow answer requests– This is hard to take as a listener.  When the preacher has a specific and narrow answer in mind and wants somebody else to say it.  As we saw in the earlier posts, if you ask for participation, be open to the participation that may come back to you.  Don’t frustrate listeners with a question that leaves them groping in the dark for “your” right answer!

What might you add to this list?  Any other interaction flops that preachers should be wary of?

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Interaction Flops

For the past two days I have been blogging about a type of interactive preaching, or participative preaching if you prefer.  This is not the same as preacher and listeners together discovering the meaning of a text (I’m not convinced about that in a preaching setting).  It is the preacher having a specific destination, but allowing the listeners to participate in a significant stage of that journey.  In the case of my message on Tuesday, I invited them to imagine what Peter and John might have thought back to during their years with Jesus as they anticipated a trial before the Sanhedrin in Acts 4.  They shaped the message in respect to which aspects of the apostles’ experience we imagined together, but I still controlled how the message would end.  Anyway, there are numerous approaches to inviting participation from the listeners while preaching.  I’d like to wave a red flag at some approaches that seem to flop.

As I mentioned in the previous two-part post, all good preaching should feel somewhat participative, even if the listeners never vocally participate.  But problems come when the preacher decides that getting noise out of the listeners’ mouths equates to a higher level of preaching or an automatically more engaged listener.  This is too simplistic by half.  For instance:

Cultural/Personality Differences – Last year I sat under the preaching of Dr Joe Stowell at Keswick, a preacher I appreciate very much.  Joe is an American preacher who invites vocal response and vocal affirmation and audience participation, etc.  I don’t know if it is the American versus British difference, or just the warmth of Joe’s personality, but his preaching really was very effective.  I’ve seen British preachers doing the same thing in Britain and it fell very flat.  Many British listeners aren’t readily participative like other cultures.  “Can I hear an amen?” can grate deeply on some congregations.  What would naturally and spontaneously stimulate hearty amens and approval in some settings might barely get a low level grunt in others.  Trying to whip up a congregation into a non-natural vocal response is generally unwise.  They will make some effort to do what you ask, but their discomfort will override their external compliance and have a net negative effect.

Cross-Cultural Issues – When speaking of audience participation, naturally the subject of African-American preaching comes up.  There is something very compelling about the rhythmic, call and response, high energy type of preaching popular in some settings (cultural and denominational).  But it takes a whole congregation and preacher combination for it to work.  Two examples stand out in my memory.

1) I was in Nigeria some years ago and noticed how the believers at this conference responded to the closing prayers of the African preachers – very physical, high movement, verbal agreement, etc.  And I noticed how the white preachers couldn’t get the same response when they prayed – congregation standing stock still with hands folded in front of them.  Something was different in the mix.

2) I’ll never forget the white preacher preaching in the chapel service of the Bible school where I was a visiting lecturer in Kenya.  These listeners did respond vocally, and he couldn’t contain himself.  He got swept away on the wave of energy and ended up giving an appalling example of show-off preaching.  I think it takes a consistency of preacher and listeners for patricipative preaching to work.  Either preacher and listeners are coming from the same tradition, or the listeners are responsive rather than resistant when the preacher is different to them (and the preacher also needs to be understanding when the listeners are different to him in some way!)

This has become a long post, so I’ll spill over to tomorrow . . .

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Let’s Interact Some More . . .

Yesterday I began with three thoughts about interactive preaching.  Following on from the importance of knowing the congregation and knowing the content, here are some more thoughts:

4. Expansive questions work better than only one possible answer.  Listeners don’t like being asked for something very specific – who wants to get it wrong?  They know you want them to say something specific, so chances are stacked against them.  Tuesday night’s message worked well because the invitation was for input from a vast array of possible answers.  I was primarily asking for examples of incidents in the gospels where Peter and John would have learned from being with Jesus (and since they were almost always there, there weren’t many “wrong answers”).  I would be more guarded about asking for input on a single text, since the first comment could give away the whole resolution to the tension of the narrative, or whatever.  It can be done, but carefully.

5. Graciousness is key.  But how you deal with “wrong answers” matters deeply.  If someone had referred to an incident where Peter & John weren’t present, it really wouldn’t help anyone to respond harshly, “uh, no!  That was only Nathaniel with Jesus on that occasion!”  Making the contributor feel foolish hurts everyone.  They would feel for him, they would be less likely to risk talking, they would lose interest in your message (since you don’t seem to care about them).  Much better to receive all input positively, “Great thought.  Thinking about it, I’m with you on that, I’m sure Nathaniel would have told the others about that even though they weren’t physically present.  Thanks.”  I was at a conference earlier this summer where the presenter chose to take questions, but was then harsh and sometimes bordering on brutal in how he responded to them.  Not helpful at all.  (And maybe some preachers simply shouldn’t do interaction.)

6. Non-traditional journeys still need a destination.  To put it another way, an interactive message is not a short-cut to avoid preparation.  You can’t be at the mercy of those present to make sure it goes somewhere worthwhile.  You have to know where you are going and make sure they get there.  They are at your mercy, not the other way around.  A meandering walk through the forest isn’t good if it ends somewhere in the middle and you then walk away.  Make sure you get them to the right place at the right time.

7. Interaction takes time.  It is hard to gauge how long a contributor will talk once they start.  You have to be able to graciously stop lengthy input, but it isn’t easy.  I wouldn’t consider significant interaction unless there was time available for it.  Good interaction can be wasted if there is then a panicked rush at the end to get to the destination.

What would you add to this list?

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Let’s Interact . . .

Last night I had a great time at a church I’ve visited many times before.  I had about 85 minutes and decided to do an interactive message.  Here are some reflections and thoughts from me, but feel free to chip in:

1.  All messages should be somewhat interactive.  Even if you don’t expect the listeners to say anything, good preaching will always be stirring response and comments within the listeners.  Good preachers know what listeners are probably thinking and respond accordingly.  In these two posts I am thinking about overt congregational participation.

2. Knowing the congregation matters.  It does help to know who you’ll be preaching to when you choose to go much more interactive.  A few years ago I chose to do an interactive sermon in a church that I hardly knew.  I certainly was unaware of the group brought along from a nearby “home” that interacted in an entirely different way than the elderly folks who made up the rest of the congregation!  Knowing them matters, them knowing you care matters just as much, but we’ll come to that issue tomorrow.

3. Knowing the content matters even more.  This one is massive.  As the preacher you have to know the subject and the range of potential input.  Taking a comment from the crowd that changes your understanding of the text could be complicated.  You get to choose how wide the net is thrown for input, but it is important that you can handle whatever may come from within that range of Bible text (and theology/history/whatever else you open yourself up to).  If you are genuinely struck by new insight, great, but if you seem to be informed by everything you hear, you’ll lose their confidence!

I’ll finish this post tomorrow, but feel free to chip in with your thoughts . . .

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Deep Conviction

As I waited for my children to get showered and dressed after their swimming lessons I scanned through an old notebook.  I took these notes about 15 years ago as I listened to a Howard Hendricks cassette on leadership.  As ever with him, good stuff.  At one point he was speaking of the need to develop deep personal conviction.

“We live in a day without a cause.  Some churches have programs instead of building convictions in people.  Only beliefs are not good enough to get job done.  The people in your church need to fill their minds with solid Bible study.  They need to develop an appetite for meditating and thinking, for praying and pursuing God.” (Rough quote from old notes)

This gives me pause for thought.

First, am I a man of deep conviction?  Have I not only learned, but tested and retested in non-cotton wool environments?  Do I fire my belief into conviction not only in the furnace of life’s experience, but also in the quiet place of prayer, face to face with my God?  Are my convictions genuine so that those I get near have a chance of becoming infected with them?  (As Hendricks put it, ‘you don’t catch anything from a man who doesn’t even have a cold!’)

Second, is my preaching delivered with deep conviction or with performance hype?  I think the difference comes from two factors, among others.  1 – Are there years of study and ministry and life experience standing behind each sermon.  And 2 – Have I given this particular sermon preparation enough days to start to take a fresh hold in my heart and life?  If I start to prepare this Sunday’s sermon on Saturday, or Friday, then I will be unable to speak out of deep contemporary conviction and will have to rely on long-term life conviction only.  Start early enough so this message can really take hold and start to work in me before it is spoken through me.

Third, do I preach and lead and mentor for more than assent?  It is easy to preach in order to educate, but it takes much more to preach in order to deeply persuade, to infect, to stir the hearts of those listening so that lives are touched.  For a start it takes something more than I can do as a teacher, it takes God at work in the hearts of those listening, so I must be a pray-er if I am to be a true preacher.  More than that, I will need to get alongside some people in the church and infect them close up.  That gets into mentoring, building a team, mobilising and equipping others.  Another post for another day.

Let’s pray that we will be preachers of deep genuine conviction, and that we will be used to spark other genuine deep conviction Christians too.

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(Put Some Points in Brackets)

It seems obvious, but preaching involves delivering a message.  It isn’t about delivering your outline via powerpoint, or presenting your outline verbally.  It is about delivering the message.  The outline is for you, it doesn’t always have to be given to them.

One thing that happens when we feel we need to give over our outline in our presentation is that we tend to always state our points when we start them.  You know the routine, “My second point is XYZ.”  Then we proceed to demonstrate that point from the text, and explain it to the listeners, and support it with some anecdotal or biblical evidence, and then illustrate it with our pithy little story, etc.  This tried and tested approach is big on clarity, but it can also be deadly dull to hear.

I remember sitting in a conference where I’d noticed the sermonic pattern by the second message and was then able to predict what would come next for the rest of the day, whoever was preaching.

Sometimes your next point shouldn’t be given up-front in your first sentence of that section of the message, but rather held back and developed before being delivered.  A point in a message might be better delivered inductively, rather than deductively.  This avoids the dull tedium of every section of every message being the same.  Here comes the verse, here comes the explanation, now he’ll refer to a cross-reference, wait for it, here comes the illustration.  Instead you might begin the next point with an illustration, or a question, or an explanation with the point itself held back.

I was taught that an inductively developed point in a message should be written in the outline in brackets.  Simple little approach, but it reminds the preacher that the preaching event is not about a slightly animated reading of an outline.  Actually, the outline is supposed to record what the message does, how it develops, etc.  For some preachers that has become reversed, so that the message is supposed to say what the outline states.  Your goal is to preach a good sermon, not to demonstrate or even deliver your good outline.

(Put some of your points in brackets, lest every five-minute section sound essentially the same!)

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Preach the Text, Not Just From a Text

Sometimes preachers give away their entire main idea in the title they advertise ahead of time.  I think I’ve done that with this title.  It’s one of the things that always makes a message feel either like biblical preaching, or not truly biblical preaching.  Does the preacher preach the text?  Or does the preacher preach from a text, using a text, referring to a text?

1. The difference demonstrates the preacher’s view of the Bible.  For some, the Bible is a great data bank to be raided for foundational wording on which they can build their presentation.  For others, the Bible is a continual source of delight as they come fresh to texts each time they preach them and encounter God in His Word, before bringing the ancient word ever fresh and new to the listeners.  Is your Bible old and static, or dynamic and relationally connecting?

2. The difference demonstrates the preacher’s view of preaching.  For some, preaching is primarily about their own craft in preparing a message where the text is an ingredient, a factor.  For others, the Bible is the master lens through which God is seen by the needy listeners as His Word is effectively presented in the preaching moment.

3. The difference demonstrates the preacher’s view of the listeners’ need.  For some, the listeners come together for a church service in which they need to have the sermon slot filled with good sermonic art and craft, a bit of polished poetry, a touch of humor, a hint of depth and a good measure of preacher’s personality.  For others, the listeners have a profound need, whether they are unsaved or saved, of an encounter with the God who reveals Himself fully and freely in His Word.

4. The difference demonstrates the preacher’s view of themselves.  For some, preaching is an opportunity to demonstrate their own faithfulness to the gospel, or cleverness with words, or artistry with concepts, or craft with alliteration, or ingenuity with a book of sermon illustrations.  For others, preaching is about communicating God’s Word to the people God brings together, in the power of God’s Spirit, and the focus, strangely enough, is on God, not the preacher.

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The Morass of Moralism

When the focus of a sermon becomes a moralistic [set of instructions for holy living], listeners will most likely assume that they can secure or renew their relationship with God through proper behaviors.  Even when the behaviors advocated are reasonable, biblical, and correct, a sermon that does not move from expounding standards of obedience to explaining the source, motives, and results of obedience places persons’ hopes in their own actions. (B.Chappell, 291)

What are the keys to avoiding the kind of moralistic preaching that Chappell refers to here?  He points to the source, motives and results.  Good things to ponder.  I’ll put it like this:

Remember Who? does the changing – Moralistic preaching will always feel like a burden on the listeners to get their acts together and make the necessary changes.  Surely the message of the Bible is that we are responders with the privilege of participating in that change process, rather than instigators with the burden of fixing ourselves.

Remember How? we participate – So how do we participate?  Is it by repenting of our badness and striving to have goodness?  Or is it repenting of our religiousness and righteousness as well as our overt rebellion, and turning to the One who offers us life and holiness?  Repentance is toward Christ, and then salvation (including sanctification) is by faith in Him.

Remember What? is the source of power – How does God change us as we trust in Christ?  By the work of the Spirit in us.  Moralistic preaching seems to leave God out of the equation (other than being the stated source of excessive requirements).  Surely the reality of Christianity is that we now get to participate in the amazing privilege of New Covenant blessings, including the work of the Holy Spirit within us.

Remember Where? is the focus – Moralistic preaching always turns listeners in on themselves.  They go from being rebellious to being religious . . . but the gospel calls us out of ourselves and away from both.  The focus of biblical Christianity is not my struggles, my weaknesses, my sins, my effort, my discipline, my success, my holiness . . . the focus is on Christ.  My part is response to Him, faith in Him, love for Him.

Let’s finish with a Chappell quote:

Preaching application should readily and vigorously exhort obedience to God’s commands, but such exhortations should be based primarily on responding in love to God’s grace, not on trying to gain or maintain it. (B.C., 292)

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The Preacher and the Passing of Time

I heard a preacher tell a gathering of senior church leaders that they needed to be careful.  If they weren’t careful they could do enough damage in the last ten years of their ministry to undo all the good they had achieved in their first two or three decades.  He urged them to pour their energies into championing the next generation of leaders, rather than critiquing the young and striving to maintain elements of church life that had now grown stale.

The time comes for all of us, sooner or later, where we fit into the category of “older preachers.”  I think it is vital we think ahead of time what the tone of our ministry will be at that stage.  Some older preachers are an absolute delight to listen to – the combination of humility, wisdom, experience, knowledge, faith and passion can absolutely transform listeners, and provide a stability impossible to duplicate in the younger generation of preachers.

But some older preachers are an absolute liability – the combination of arrogance, stubbornness, ignorance, bitterness and apparently decreasing fruit of the Spirit can do real damage to listeners, and provide a stability impossible to thrive under for all younger listeners.

I remember a conversation with the eldest faculty member at seminary a decade ago.  He told me he had observed over the years that older faculty seemed to lose the mental sharpness and the energy to stay on top of their subject somewhere around the age of sixty-five.  Consequently he planned to retire around that age as soon as he got a hint that his mind was starting to fade (and the hint would come from asking trusted colleagues directly).  I respect that and hope to have the same plans in place for a new phase of ministry when age affects what I do.

That raises another related issue – is there a new phase of ministry open for those of a certain age?  I’m sure we would all be tempted to cling on to position and influence if the alternative is to feel like we’re on the scrap heap.  But what about positions emeritus?  I think of John Stott who retired decades ago, yet never retired, always having a key, but changing role to play.  Why not have opportunities to function as sage and champion for the next generation?  It takes wisdom to plan ahead, not only for ourselves, but also for others in the church.  The older generation can be a massive blessing to the ongoing growth of the church (or some can be a ball and chain to progress).

How is your preaching?  It is different to what it was ten years ago.  But in what way?  Does anything need to change in your approach, frequency, mindset, position?

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